Draper Could Return to Wings Lineup for Game Three

It looks as though Kris Draper will return to the Detroit lineup tonight as the Red Wings visit the Pittsburgh Penguins in Game Three of their Stanley Cup Finals matchup. He replaces Mikael Samuelsson, who is reported to be ill.

Draper skated on Detroit's third line in practice Tuesday, alongside Darren Helm and Dan Cleary. Jiri Hudler moved up to Henrik Zetterberg's line to take the spot Cleary had been holding down.

Should Samuelsson be able to play, Draper would remain out.

Pavel Datsyuk will not rejoin the Red Wings tonight but coach Mike Babcock was hopeful Datsyuk would be available for Game Four.

The Penguins are in a virtual must-win scenario as a loss would put the Wings just one win from claiming their second Stanley Cup in a row.

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Is it weird that I think the Wings were better in the period with no scoring than they were in the period that ended 2-2?

Posted by YzerFan19 on 6/2/2009 at 9:45 PM

 

Fleury sucks, if it weren't for the posts... <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.png" />


i just caught that one <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.png" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":lol:" border="0" alt="laugh.png" />

Posted by bigred4478 on 6/2/2009 at 9:46 PM

 

Is it just me, or are the wings just not hitting like they have the last two games...????

Posted by Datsukian on 6/2/2009 at 9:52 PM

 

laaaaaaaaaame

Posted by pattonbordin on 6/2/2009 at 9:54 PM

 

Is it just me, or are the wings just not hitting like they have the last two games...????


hitting as much or not we were the better team in the 2nd let's just keep doing what we are doing and put this thing in the impossible to comeback category

Posted by bigred4478 on 6/2/2009 at 9:56 PM

 

Period felt much more methodical. Better defense but not as good of a forecheck.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 6/2/2009 at 9:57 PM

 

Period felt much more methodical. Better defense but not as good of a forecheck.


forecheck wasn't as good and they still only put 4 shot's on us <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.png" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":lol:" border="0" alt="laugh.png" />

Posted by bigred4478 on 6/2/2009 at 9:58 PM

 


Is it just me, or are the wings just not hitting like they have the last two games...????


hitting as much or not we were the better team in the 2nd let's just keep doing what we are doing and put this thing in the impossible to comeback category

Hitting at the wrong time, can cost your team a goal as pitts has proved, but it really seems like Krom, and others have really let up. With defense being played as well as it has, by both teams. I think alittle more hitting, at the right time, could put this in the "impossible to comeback category. " Pitts always seems to have four guys on the line, and when it gets deep, 4 around the Flury. A crucial hit or two at the right time takes a man or two from in front of the goal.

Posted by Datsukian on 6/2/2009 at 10:06 PM

 

Goalie interference, not called. Hit to the head, not called. Put a hand on a Penguin? Called.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 6/2/2009 at 10:17 PM

 

There's still time, but that goal sucks.

Posted by Mathieu_Datsyuk132351 on 6/2/2009 at 10:19 PM

 

Of course they score on that. Of course they do.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 6/2/2009 at 10:19 PM

 

Didn't clear the zone the whole penalty kill. It was only a matter of time.

Posted by Britishwingsfan on 6/2/2009 at 10:20 PM

 

anybody catch Fleury try to trip Homer or actually did trip Homer i should say

Posted by bigred4478 on 6/2/2009 at 10:22 PM

 

If the Wings tie this, remember that stop.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 6/2/2009 at 10:27 PM

 

): I think the Penguins won this one.

Posted by Mathieu_Datsyuk132351 on 6/2/2009 at 10:33 PM

 

Damn.

Posted by Britishwingsfan on 6/2/2009 at 10:34 PM

 

i will just say this i will not take kindly to their fan's coming here to brag about this we don't go to their board's bragging so they come here bragging i'm givin a p*ssed off attitude

Posted by bigred4478 on 6/2/2009 at 10:36 PM

 

Keys to the Penguins game: Get power plays.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 6/2/2009 at 10:36 PM

 

i swear penguins get BAILED out every time by penalties. That includes last year. Really horrid penalties that they didn't call in game 1 and 2. Wings 2, NHL 1. laughs all around. I think we might need Datsyuk sometime here.

Posted by RideTheRedWave on 6/2/2009 at 10:36 PM

 

call the softy on Ericsson but Kunitz can crosscheck Mule in the ear with no call real fair call

Posted by bigred4478 on 6/2/2009 at 10:39 PM

 

Keep in mind that the Wings PK sucked. All series they've done a horrible job of clearing the zone.

That said, the Wings deserved more power play time. I still think it's a joke to call Ericsson but not call Kunitz. Ericsson was the right call but you set precedent that the whistles will stay put away by not calling Kunitz.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 6/2/2009 at 10:40 PM

 

what was the final PP count for tonight?? i'm sure the advantage went to them AGAIN

Posted by bigred4478 on 6/2/2009 at 10:46 PM

 

Wings got only three shots in the third. Not gonna win games if the puck's not getting to the damned net.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 6/2/2009 at 10:48 PM

 

what about the 6 men on the ice for 21 seconds and no penalty. Hahahah

Posted by RideTheRedWave on 6/2/2009 at 10:50 PM

 

i expected really to lose tonight the sweep really didn't seem like that strong of a possibility play for our split now and come home and clinch it at JLA for a change

Posted by bigred4478 on 6/2/2009 at 10:50 PM

 

what about the 6 men on the ice for 21 seconds and no penalty. Hahahah


that one and the no call on Kunitz there's 2 more PP situation's for us not really surprised at the no call's though also is that a confirmed stat were there really 6 men for 21 second's?

Posted by bigred4478 on 6/2/2009 at 10:52 PM

 

what was the final PP count for tonight?? i'm sure the advantage went to them AGAIN


3-2 in favor of Pittsburgh. Not bad. They just capitalized enough to make it look worse. 2-2 and both teams had one PPG before the Ericsson call.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 6/2/2009 at 10:52 PM

 

I knew we were not going to win tonight. I thought we may have had a chance after the first period but the ref's proved that are still inconsistant. As I said earlier, one way to score against the Wings is to be on the Power Play.

Posted by SYfanSD on 6/2/2009 at 10:57 PM

 

Goalie interference, not called. Hit to the head, not called. Put a hand on a Penguin? Called.


Agreed, the best Refs money can buy$$$. the NHL has put too much money into the marketing of Crosby, to let this go any less than 6 games, if not 7. And the NHL then wonders why regular season baseball gets more coverage than the "Stanley Cup." It's becoming a joke, like boxing did to itself. The best man/team, doe'st always win like they should. It's all about the money, looking for a return on their investment. If your going to call a game, even if it's nothing like the regular season(which is'nt right either), at least try to make it look right.... First period, tons of blatentent interference on the Wings, but no calls. Then we go to the 2cd and 3rd, and we can't touch anyone, but Pitts can. And the commi-tratators, jeez don't get me started. There is definitly a reason Ken, Mickey, and Murph don't get to call these games, the NHL would look stupid, but they're doing a fine job of that themselves.

Posted by Datsukian on 6/2/2009 at 11:00 PM

 

if someone has the ability to go back and look i'd still like to know the length of time they had to many men

Posted by bigred4478 on 6/2/2009 at 11:05 PM

 

Twenty seconds or so is what the announcers were saying.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 6/2/2009 at 11:06 PM

 

Yea i'm not surprised at the calls, not consistent all year. Still love the game though. I just don't like calls based on assumptions or penalties that are called based on fan reaction.

Posted by RideTheRedWave on 6/2/2009 at 11:09 PM

 

but yet WE get all the call's eh? if i here that from another Pen's fan i'll puke

Posted by bigred4478 on 6/2/2009 at 11:11 PM

 

Just a footnote, the Wings did not bring there best. Some fault lies with them. But, to see this, blatent, game influce by the refs consistantly in the playoffs makes me sick, and it's been going on since the 90's. Enough already NHL, I love hockey, but seriously.... The Wings if I am not mistaken, had the least penalty minutes, of any team. Now in the the playoffs there constantly penalized, if not the most. NHL you trually are a joke if you think we can't see through this B.S.

Posted by Datsukian on 6/2/2009 at 11:14 PM

 

but yet WE get all the call's eh? if i here that from another Pen's fan i'll puke


for reference, theres the holmstrom standing in front of the net while a goal is scored but waved off by the referee despite no interference. Early whistle vs ducks this year, too many men on ice for longest period of time ive ever seen and no call. Despite all that crap, the better team should win in 7 game series. <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.png" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":lol:" border="0" alt="laugh.png" />

Posted by RideTheRedWave on 6/2/2009 at 11:15 PM

 

All I ask is that the game is called fairly. Again, I ask the question about the instigator call on Malkin. If that would have been Downey, would it have been called the same way? I bet not since there is no love affair with Downey.

Posted by SYfanSD on 6/2/2009 at 11:25 PM

 

I trully hope so, but if we lose by a refs call this year.... I don't know, make college hockey my thing.... I love hockey too much to throw it away completely. Also, not calling some of these calls is going to result in the permanent injury, or death of a player. What will the NHL head office say then...?

Posted by Datsukian on 6/2/2009 at 11:25 PM

 

I trully hope so, but if we lose by a refs call this year.... I don't know, make college hockey my thing.... I love hockey too much to throw it away completely. Also, not calling some of these calls is going to result in the permanent injury, or death of a player. What will the NHL head office say then...?


(I refer to the play where a Pitts player, looked like, in the slo-mo, was trying to cut off Helm's head with his skate. When you give a team the feeling they will not be called on anything, they will do anything they want.

Posted by Datsukian on 6/2/2009 at 11:34 PM

 


I trully hope so, but if we lose by a refs call this year.... I don't know, make college hockey my thing.... I love hockey too much to throw it away completely. Also, not calling some of these calls is going to result in the permanent injury, or death of a player. What will the NHL head office say then...?


(I refer to the play where a Pitts player, looked like, in the slo-mo, was trying to cut off Helm's head with his skate. When you give a team the feeling they will not be called on anything, they will do anything they want.

that was a 'flow of play' situation in my honest opinion

Posted by bigred4478 on 6/2/2009 at 11:38 PM

 

anyway i'm going to go play some NHL09 now where the ref's are far and beyond more capable of calling a game than their real life counterparts <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.png" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":lol:" border="0" alt="laugh.png" />

Posted by bigred4478 on 6/2/2009 at 11:53 PM

 

Painful...won't get into the non-call situations....But I received Ticketmaster information re: tickets for the remaining games, AND they are showing game 7 (Wings home game 4 if needed) to be played JUNE 12!! AND they don't have game 6 (Penguins home game 3) on the schedule at all yet. Is Ticketmaster correct?

Also, question: Is Joe Vision in effect? I also received notice of a gathering at the Hockeytown Cafe for tonight's game, but I've seen nothing about Joe Vision...another sign of the recession/meltdown?

Posted by OldBroad on 6/2/2009 at 11:56 PM

 


I trully hope so, but if we lose by a refs call this year.... I don't know, make college hockey my thing.... I love hockey too much to throw it away completely. Also, not calling some of these calls is going to result in the permanent injury, or death of a player. What will the NHL head office say then...?


(I refer to the play where a Pitts player, looked like, in the slo-mo, was trying to cut off Helm's head with his skate. When you give a team the feeling they will not be called on anything, they will do anything they want.

Do you watch the game through special kind of glasses? LOL!Cmon.. the game wasn't that bad.. Truth be told the Wings should have ended it in the 2nd, the OWNED the 2nd period.I don't cheer for either team but it was a very good game with lots of shots & chances. Ozzy simply wasn't as spectacular as he was the 1st 2 games.And like someone else said.. your not going to win with that few shots in the third when its a tie game.Stop with the conspiracy theories, you sound like my old man!

Posted by klaitinen on 6/2/2009 at 11:57 PM

 

As any frequent readers might guess, I'm not doing a formal recap of the Game Three loss. I've got an opinion about this one and I'm going to babble.Malik already has a post up called "I don't want to hear about the refs." I do want to hear about them but not in the context of why the Wings lost.Detroit lost because they got three shots in the third period. They lost because they failed to clear their defensive zone repeatedly. They lost because they did an awful job of blocking shots and because they scrambled and were out of position in their own end. None of that is any ref's fault.That said, I don't think the refs can go without being criticized. While they didn't cause the loss, they sure as hell didn't call a good game.The big thing that a lot of people will have trouble letting go is four officials all missing the fact that the Penguins had an extra man on the ice for a whole 20 seconds in the first period. I agree with that one. Given that it's one of the penalties a linesman can call it's insane to me to think that no one saw it. What else do they miss if they couldn't see that one for over 20 seconds?I've gotta just shake my head at that one. Thankfully nothing really came of it so it's easier to ignore after the fact. Someone should get chewed out for it, though.The penalty on Jonathan Ericsson in the third period... That's the painful one. The Penguins got their game-winner on that one and it's hard to ignore the cheapness of the call.First off, yes, it was a penalty. As written in the rulebook, that is a play that should be called. So in the context of the rulebook it was the right call.In the context of the game, however, I'm not happy about it.First off, it's a play that Hal Gill made repeatedly throughout the game. I can remember without video replay two or three times he held up Marian Hossa coming into the Pittsburgh end chasing after the puck. And it wasn't called any of those times. So to treat that play as if it weren't a penalty all game only to call it midway through the third is confusing to me.Additionally, this came just minutes after Chris Kunitz put a high hit on Johan Franzen that went uncalled. One that even the NBC guys were questioning. By not calling that, the refs have signaled that they've "put the whistles away" but then they seemingly reverse that by calling Ericsson. What you end up having is a high hit not being worth a penalty but a cheap hold getting called.It's not a conspiracy, these refs didn't do this to give Pittsburgh an advantage, it's just something that looks bad. The Red Wings didn't lose because of it but hockey fans everywhere have a right to feel like it left a bad taste in their mouths.And just because I'm sure someone somewhere will make the argument, this is how these are different from the calls Penguins fans made for Henrik Zetterberg to be penalized for covering the puck in the Detroit crease earlier in the series:That call was entirely subjective. The official announcement was that the officials didn't think Zetterberg closed his hand on the puck, instead he was just sweeping the puck off Osgood's back. Kind of like how you can knock the puck down with your glove and it's not the same as catching it.I can see how some might say the dirtiness of Kunitz's hit was subjective, too, though I don't agree that it was clean.I can't see how you can compare any of Gill's uncalled holding to Ericsson's called holding and see any subjective difference. The two players made the same play. Maybe not the exact same steps but the same effect and the same intent. Someone will have to explain what the difference is.Speaking of subjective, the Penguins' best player in Game Three was Evgeni Malkin with three assists. Lucky Pittsburgh that he was ruled to have not been sending a message at the end of Game Two, otherwise they'd have played this game without him.


You said it all and now I want to puke. On the other hand, I hang on to the fact that the Wings have been here before (2-1, losing the first game in the opposing rink) and worse, and they've overcome.

Posted by OldBroad on 6/3/2009 at 12:06 AM

 



I trully hope so, but if we lose by a refs call this year.... I don't know, make college hockey my thing.... I love hockey too much to throw it away completely. Also, not calling some of these calls is going to result in the permanent injury, or death of a player. What will the NHL head office say then...?


(I refer to the play where a Pitts player, looked like, in the slo-mo, was trying to cut off Helm's head with his skate. When you give a team the feeling they will not be called on anything, they will do anything they want.

that was a 'flow of play' situation in my honest opinion

It's possible, they only showed it once, I would like to see it again, but we won't. And the jist of my point still stands. The first period nothing was really called like the regular season(not nessessarily a bad thing.) Then the second were getting questionable holding, tripping calls. The Refs can't seem to call a consistant game, if you allow something in the 1st, keep allowing it, let um play I say. But it is so inconsistant, not only from reg season, to playoffs, but just within a game, and so lop-sded, I can only reach one conclusion. The refs are influienceing the games. Just look back too the 10+ penalty minutes called on the Wings vs. Blackhawks in the first period if you look at the replay of the game, the refs are trying to handicap the Wings. Again, I think the Wings blew it for themselves tonight, by not being more physical. But if we were, we may have been called the same way. Point is, the NHL has invested alot money into promoting Crosby, though Datzuk, Zetts, Helm, Lindstrom, and probley a couple others can out-play him.

Posted by Datsukian on 6/3/2009 at 12:07 AM

 

i can agree we lost it for ourselve's but i can't help but sit back and wonder "what if" we had the 2 extra PP's ESPN's man at the game is reporting upward's of 25 second's with 6 men but said it took the Wing's bench 15 to 20 second's to realize it then for Cleary to be called less than a minute later for the hold that allowed them to tie it just craziness like i said you can't help but wonder what if??...that being said i stated earlier i didn't feel a sweep was in the card's for us i haven't seen the box score but i believe Crosby is still pointless through 3 if we can get Pav back that really help's with containing Malkin as we can't expect Hank to shut them both down bottomline we had an "insurance" game under our belt and we used it play for the split and wrap it up at JLA Saturday

Posted by bigred4478 on 6/3/2009 at 12:10 AM

 



I trully hope so, but if we lose by a refs call this year.... I don't know, make college hockey my thing.... I love hockey too much to throw it away completely. Also, not calling some of these calls is going to result in the permanent injury, or death of a player. What will the NHL head office say then...?


(I refer to the play where a Pitts player, looked like, in the slo-mo, was trying to cut off Helm's head with his skate. When you give a team the feeling they will not be called on anything, they will do anything they want.

Do you watch the game through special kind of glasses? LOL!Cmon.. the game wasn't that bad.. Truth be told the Wings should have ended it in the 2nd, the OWNED the 2nd period.I don't cheer for either team but it was a very good game with lots of shots & chances. Ozzy simply wasn't as spectacular as he was the 1st 2 games.And like someone else said.. your not going to win with that few shots in the third when its a tie game.Stop with the conspiracy theories, you sound like my old man!

The NHL has invested millions of dollars into making Crosby their "Golden Boy", so if you don't think they are influencing this your dead wrong. All you need to do is listen to their commentators, in the pre game. I would like to know, if anyone has the game Tivo'd, how much time did they spend talking about Crosby, compared to the teams themselves, or any other player.

Posted by Datsukian on 6/3/2009 at 12:22 AM

 




I trully hope so, but if we lose by a refs call this year.... I don't know, make college hockey my thing.... I love hockey too much to throw it away completely. Also, not calling some of these calls is going to result in the permanent injury, or death of a player. What will the NHL head office say then...?


(I refer to the play where a Pitts player, looked like, in the slo-mo, was trying to cut off Helm's head with his skate. When you give a team the feeling they will not be called on anything, they will do anything they want.

Do you watch the game through special kind of glasses? LOL!Cmon.. the game wasn't that bad.. Truth be told the Wings should have ended it in the 2nd, the OWNED the 2nd period.I don't cheer for either team but it was a very good game with lots of shots & chances. Ozzy simply wasn't as spectacular as he was the 1st 2 games.And like someone else said.. your not going to win with that few shots in the third when its a tie game.Stop with the conspiracy theories, you sound like my old man!

The NHL has invested millions of dollars into making Crosby their "Golden Boy", so if you don't think they are influencing this your dead wrong. All you need to do is listen to their commentators, in the pre game. I would like to know, if anyone has the game Tivo'd, how much time did they spend talking about Crosby, compared to the teams themselves, or any other player.

How many goals has Crosby scored on the Wings?

Posted by Datsukian on 6/3/2009 at 12:24 AM

 

Crosby is infact pointless through 3 games thus far Malkin though if i'm correct has a goal and 4 assist's all i ask is for some consistency on the part of the ref's and that go's both way's if your gonna call it on one side you HAVE to call it on the other there was no difference between what Ericsson did and what Gill did multiple time's i could live with it if it was called on each end

Posted by bigred4478 on 6/3/2009 at 12:29 AM

 

Jeez, "MY" Special Glasses, whats wrong with you? If you cannot see whats really wrong, and why regular season NLB gets more press than the "Stanley Cup Finals" bud your looking through some special glasses. Yes is was a tight game, but if you have been following the Wings since the 90's and keep seeing pattern, would'nt you call it out?

Posted by Datsukian on 6/3/2009 at 12:39 AM

 

Crosby is infact pointless through 3 games thus far Malkin though if i'm correct has a goal and 4 assist's all i ask is for some consistency on the part of the ref's and that go's both way's if your gonna call it on one side you HAVE to call it on the other there was no difference between what Ericsson did and what Gill did multiple time's i could live with it if it was called on each end


Crosby had an assist tonight...

Posted by klaitinen on 6/3/2009 at 12:41 AM

 

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